Звезды на ладони.Под западную копирку.

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Знаете передачу на MTV под названием "Звезды на ладони"? Тогда вы согласитесь,что в большинстве случаев она веселит,а не огорчает. Но сегодня я выпала в осадок-они опустили не только большинство русских исполнителей,они затронули еще самую больную тему: ЭМОвость Tоkio Hotel! Радует только то,что хоть на первое место их поставили...
Короче тема в том,что в сегодняшней передачи они сравнивали русских звезд с западным шоу-бизом,типо кто кого скопировал. На первое место они поместили ТН и Китай (а потом вплетя туда еще Серебро и ост.произведения Фадеева)
Представление было весьма милое: "Когда появляется одна крпуная звезда,то обязательно ждите появления новой,но чуть поменьше. Кажется,что скопировать группу Tokio Hotel невозможно..." А вот потом пошел баян: "Ну и вправду,где же на просторах нашей Родины можно найти группу пирсингованнных эмо парней,с разными вкусами и ориентацией"
Они что или кого имели в виду? Только фэндомовские слэшеры могут парировать на эту тему! А тут эфир на всю страну!
Так,отвлеклись-продолжим. "Но Макс Фадеев не стал думать,где-он просто стал искать и нашел 3 парней,одну девушку,разукрасил их как известный пример,написал песни похожие все на тех же,снял клип и назвал группу...Китай! Ну,конечно,ничего общего с Tokio Hotel!"
Ну и дальше идет тема про то,как Фадеев любит копировать запад...
Ну и что нам с ними делать? Они за 5 минут успели опустить ТН, ориентацию близнюков и Фадеева (не люблю я его,но патриотизм за российских жителей прет не спрашивая...) Да и опустили они ТН совсем не по-новому,ну если не касаться фразы про ориентацию,ибо это вообще ни в какие ворота не лезет...Когда они уже признают,что это не ЭМО?! Ну хоть порадовали,что не ТН с кого-то слизались,а Китай скопировали с них...Итог:

@темы: Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Голосование: самый красивый, талантливый, сексуальный, модный...

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... короче, голосуем за Билла Каулитца!



Голосуем тут

@темы: Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Блог Тома

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GQ

You guys probably already know that Bill & I will be featured on the cover of the brand new GQ mag (German version). Head over to the GQ page right now to get a little taste of the GQ photo shoot by watching some of the „Behind the Scenes“ video footage. Also, I got a cool pic for you from the shoot – it didn’t make it into the actual mag but I guess that's because of Bill

@темы: Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Making of GQ Photoshoot

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Видео с англ. сабами http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n0OE2rVlWk

запись создана: 13.01.2010 в 18:19

@темы: video, видео, Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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GQ Photoshoot - сканы (окончательный вариант и без копирайтов)

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@темы: Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель, scans, сканы

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GQ (инглиш)

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Intro text:
When Tokio Hotel start their 32 shows heavy first part of their "Welcome to Humanoid City" tour, their concerts take place in places like the Olympia Stadium in Moscow, in Barcelona, Paris, Madrid, Rome and (for now) only two German dates in Oberhausen and Hamburg (on the 26. and 28. February). One sign that the school friends from Magdeburg with their melancholical-metallic glam rock have long since become world stars.

The 20 year old twins Bill (singer) and Tom Kaulitz (guitarist) tell us after a spectacular GQ photoshoot in Hamburg how Tokio Hotel find their way as style-wise individualistic, as well as creative and ready to fight young artists in a world that has yet to learn to respect them.



Interview:
Q: Bill and Tom Kaulitz. We're meeting you without your two band mates Georg Listing and Gustav Schäfer. Are they insulted?

Tom: Not at all. They thank us and pull up a chair.

Bill: If it were up to Gustav and Georg, they'd just play bass and drums in Tokio Hotel and keep out of everything else.

Q: Is the band divided?

Bill: Not at all. That difference has been obvious pretty much from the beginning: they'd rather leave the whole stuff with pictures, interviews and red carpets to us. Six or seven years ago, only small town papers wanted to talk to us, but even then it was mostly Tom and me who represented the band.

Q: Your two colleagues still live in Magdeburg, but you have moved to Hamburg five years ago.

Bill: Gustav and Georg did live, here, too, during our first recording sessions, but they moved back, really quickly. To be honest, I can't quite understand that. But maybe Tom and I were special cases. Our childhood was really rough. Going to school in a village near Magdeburg felt horrible. We were so glad to get out of there.

Q: A lot of images from those years can be found on the internet. Is an embarrassing childhood not private? How did those pictures get there?

Bill: A lot of those have been published by former class mates. Others we gave to the press ourselves: baby- and childhood pictures of us, as well as impressions of former gigs, when Tokio Hotel was still Devilish.

Q: You don't need a photo album, anymore - you can just google your memories.

Bill: Recently, we made the resolution to take more pictures. We travel into so many beautiful cities, we get to do and see so many thing, that is something that should be captured... Then we realised: we don't have to! We always have a camera team with us. We've given up on privately taking pictures.

Q: With a lot of other German teenager pop-bands the hype ended after one season. Tokio Hotel on the other hand are a world hit with an MTV award, sold-out concerts in Europe and chart positions in the US. To keep up with the demands: is it necessary to decide to live your life completely in public?

Bill: Tom and I have made that decision, yes. Including all of the negative aspects - but we have learned to live with it. It only gets bad when people get pulled into that who don't want it: parents, family, friends. We're doing everything we can to protect them from the public's curious eye. But it's become difficult to lead a normal life to whoever carries the name Kaulitz, nowadays.

Q: Being a popstar, even if you have to sacrifice a normal life almost completely - when exactly did you make that decision?

Bill: At 15. That was when our fist single "Durch den Monsun" was released. It was amazing when that went through the roof. Then the first headlines appered...

Tom: ... and we got the full program, right away!

Bill: The first stories in the tabloids had been there, before. And when our song was played on the radio and the demands grew, we did ask ourselves: what's happening, here? What are we getting into? For example, I left a glass lying around somewhere, and you could buy that on ebay the next day. But experiences like that are educational. We started early and started to learn early, accordingly. Tokio Hotel is not a job, it's our life. Outside of that, there's hardly anything left, no more than the family. For that one year in which we produced our new album we had planned on not ending up in the press. That hasn't worked, at all.

Tom: There's no switch to turn. No end of the day.

Q: Have you ever been in doubt? There are celebs who can switch off more easily, because they keep on the down-low.

Bill: Of course I've asked myself: would I do the same things, again? We can see that with old school friends. They go to university or get their first experiences in jobs. Things we don't know. Luckily, I always get to the point where I realise that what I do is a calling for me. What else should I do? I can't live with the success, but I can't live without it, either.

Q: But music also runs in the family. Your step-father plays in a band, too. Is it true that he got you into rock&roll?

Bill: He never talked us into it. He just made music and there were instruments around the house. At some point, the two of us just had a go at them. Once our step-father realised that Tom kept playing around with the guitar, he explained the basic things to him. But it wasn't like in school. We don't let anyone teach us. Tom and I have a serious problem with authority.

Q: Was that the reason you moved out so early?

Bill: As I said, we could hardly stand living in the small town. And our studio is in Hamburg.

Tom: At first, we often went home. But for the last four years, we've lived here, 100% We share a studio apartment. A boys-only dorm with four dogs. We can't imagine it any other way. I don't think that one of us would ever move out.

Q: It still sounds odd for outsiders. Of course, brothers stick together - but that they hardly ever fight and share almost everything...

Bill: (interrupts) ... Hold on. I couldn't imagine that with brothers. You can't forget that we're identical twins. That's something special, that's the difference.

Tom: That I sit around and think that I could use an hour without Bill, never happens. We'd have enough room in the apartment to keep out of each other's ways - and yet we hang around in the living room together all day, if we have the time. We only ever go into different rooms to sleep.

Q: You're both vegetarians. Was that a joint decision, too?

Tom&Bill: (at the exact same moment) Yes! (laugh)

Tom: that wouldn't work any other way. It would be unbearable for one if the other still ate meat.

Bill: That decision was for the animals. Even though I loved meat, before! I practically lived off burgers. But thankfully, there are a lot of good alternatives.

Tom: Just don't think we're on a wellness trip! We still eat pizza, hot dogs, burgers - just without the meat - all day long. It's still deliciously unhealthy. Just missing the meat.

Q: That much harmony is scary, even with twins. Did you never hate each other?

Bill: Yes, temporarily. At 13, we were at war for a year. We were going through puberty and were testing our boundaries. At the time, we had separate friends, and each spent a lot of time with his girlfriend. We grew apart in that time a bit.

Tom: By now, we even have the same friends.

Q: Did the music bring you back together?

Bill: This common project of ours is pretty much the only thing that remained constant over time. Even when we didn't get along. We always took the band very seriously. Georg and Gustav were a bit different, at the beginning: they saw music as their hobby. Georg sometimes skipped practice. Tom and I were a lot more serious and determined. And you can't forget that we only played in front of ten people in the youth centre.

Tom: It's still like that, today. It can get really taxing, because we want to control everything, no matter how complicate things get because of it. Each picture that is being released has to be given a green light by us. Decisions can take ages, because everyone wants to have a say in it.

Bill: We are hardly ever really satisfied. We are control freaks, complete perfectionists. I did try to be more relaxed, recently. But letting go and giving things into a stranger's hands - that's really hard for me when it comes to the band.

Q: Is that the Achilles heel of the Kaulitz brothers?

Tom: We don't carry around questions that we don't want to be asked about.

Bill: When we come off the stage when something went wrong, we're all silent. Nobody talks.

Q: Have there ever been problems that weren't worth all the drama? That the company got the wrong colour for the cover or something?

Tom: (breathes deeply) Now that would be a catastrophe. I'd blow up.

Bill: If something like that were to happen, I couldn't sleep properly for a year... But I do remember something: some of our songs from Humanoid had been online, illegally, three months before the album was released. I could hardly believe that somebody would steal the art from us that we put so much time and energy into.

Q: A very widely spread problem, nowadays. How did you react?

Bill: We will not hand over music to companies, beforehand, anymore. It gets into the wrong hands, there, sometimes. We were careful, before, but we learned from that.

Tom: Everything needs to stay in the smallest circle possible. On a business level, there are so many involved in Tokio Hotel: the German label, the French one, Interscope in the States, and and and. There is an uncountable amount of people involved you can't control.

Q: If music is such an emotional topic, doesn't the band project endanger the love between brothers?

Tom: You could see it that way. Theoretically. We both have the problem that we tend to focus on the negative aspects of things. If there is one bad message, we forget the 20 good ones we got, before. Bad news make you improve the situation. You can just move on from positive things.

Bill: That's the typical twin thing. When I'm happy, Tom has 10000 things in his mind. And the other way around. That we can sit next to each other on a couch, all relaxed, happens once a year.

Tom: Actually, I don't think it happened in the last five years.

Q: It's almost as if one can hear that in your music. Teenager bands usually sound light, less dark and selling things - the Tokio Hotel songs have always been surprisingly dark, serious and lacking a childlike naiveté. How on earth could you two pig-headed boys agree on one musical style?

Bill: Good question. In private, we only ever fight about music. He only listens to hip hop and I listen to all kinds of things. We can't understand each other in that respect.

Tom: When we started out, it was really easy. We had no choice! We never sat down and talked: let's sound like this or that band. We were limited. We just did what we were capable of. It's interesting how that unique style that came of it lasted until today. There is a thread going through all of our works, a clear line.

Q: When one sees you, today - the glamorous, alien-like Bill and the earthed streetstyler Tom - one would never think that you are twins. When was the point at which you developed in different directions?

Bill: That complicated to explain. We just wanted to get out of the other's shadow at some point. Out of that annoying, public twin existence. Imagine that. At school, it was always: the twins here and the twins there... On the other hand, I think it's natural that each would develop his on personality that we do everything together. Or maybe not.

Tom: I'd put it this way: Everything that one complete human being has in itself, we distributed among the two of us. Each of us has chosen his part and specialised in his area of expertise. Bill is more the creative type, I'm more on the business side. If you add that up, we're one person, one human being. Just a very versatile one.

Q: Does that also mean that you've never been rivals, in all those years?

Bill: We never thought about who is the favourite son and who's the black sheep. We were always a team. Like I said, we moved out at 15, earned our own money. We didn't have time for childish shenanigans - it all happened very early. Sometimes I feel like mine and Tom's life has moved twice as fast, because each taught the other what he learned. Identical twins grow up faster, because they share everything. Including experience.

Q: Like a human with four ears.

Tom&Bill: Exactly!

Tom: An only child only lives through everything once, has only one point of view. We always shared everything. Looked at every aspect.

Bill: Our mother always told us that once she had turned off the lights in our room in the evening, it was no question that we would lie awake for at least another hour to tell us things and discuss them. In a way, it's still like that.

Q: Did you tell your mother: When we're all grown up, we'll buy you a Cadillac!

Bill: Not quite, but we always wanted to be independent with our pocket money. We were keeping book that we had enough for clothes, cell phone and the likes. Having responsibility was never something threatening for us. I already felt better at 15, when I knew that I could pay for my own rent and fill my fridge.

Q: Did you ever wish for another brother or sister?

Bill: No, not really.

Tom: That would have been really difficult for the new baby. We always had a very strong connection - outsiders never get in 100%. Not even imaginary siblings.

Bill: Maybe it would have worked with half a year in between, but that's not really possible, biologically. (laughs)

Q: What would have happened, if only one you had become famous? Could you have remained inseparable twin friends?

Tom: I think so! Maybe it would have developed into different directions, at first. One would have become a musician and the other could have gone to uni. But at the point where one of us would have become really successful, he would have pulled the other in, as well. Bill would have made me his manager. Or had I studied industrial design, I would have hired him.

Bill: No rumours out of this, please. What I'm about to say is merely me playing with thoughts. But should I ever sing anywhere else, outside of Tokio Hotel, I could never do that without Tom. Even if I was alone on a picture, I'd need him behind me and support me in words and action. We just don't work properly on our own.
Translation by sorion at LJ Community th_apex

@темы: Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, interview, интервью, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Promo radio NRJ Russia

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@темы: video, видео, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Видео-новости

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@темы: video, видео, Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель, СМИ, пресса, press

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Немного негатива

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Основные идеи нескольких попавшихся критических статей о последнем номере GQ

1. Что вообще делают Билл и Том на обложке МУЖСКОГО журнала?
2. Конечно же, в журнале публикуется интервью с глубокими мыслями Билла и Тома: что они не могут существовать друг без друга, что Билл больше занимается творчеством, а Тома интересует бизнес, что у них совершенно различный стиль одежды и что Билл, как истинная икона стиля, хотел бы выпускать свою линию одежды.
3. Раньше в своей карьере Билл был счастлив в протертой футболке и с самодельно подведенными глазами. Теперь он считает, что его прошлые костюмы были плохими и уродлиыми.
Выдержки из:
http://lifestyle.mamiweb.de/2010/01/13/tokio-hotel-cover-der-gq/
http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/Home/Lokales/Mindelheim/Lokalnachrichten/Artikel,-Jugendsuenden-eine-erste-Zwischenbilanz-_arid,2044439_regid,2_puid,2_pageid,4501.html
В позитивным статьях примерно то же самое, но, естественно, с другим настроением.

@темы: Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Созерцаем и наслаждаемся...

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@темы: скрины , screens, Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Билл Каулитц фэшн

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@темы: Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Бандана Тома (фотосессия HQ)

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"Cocaine Cowboys"

@темы: Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Making of GQ Photoshoot

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http://www.mediafire.com/?mntzhmwmmmu

Translation by Herzblut./thus

They are the german style icons of the hour and we have an audience at them: Tokio Hotel. In February their “Welcome to Humanoid City”-Tour begins with concerts in Moscow, Barcelona, Paris, Rome and many other cities. GQ invited the two rockstars Bill and Tom Kaulitz to a photo session in Hamburg. Different from what he wears on stage, Bill wears classical Italian man’s suits.


Bill: Well, it’s not something what I could wear the whole time, but now and then I really like it. You can always combine it with other togs. For example I have very much dress coats and so on at home, which I wear with a jeans or so. I don’t feel in disguise, not at all. If I would feel in disguise, it wouldn’t come in question for me, you feel rather uncomfortable. For the stage it would be a bit too chic for me, I think. Now and then I really like it, but for the stage I rather need leather jackets and stuff, where I can really move in it, and maybe for 1 or 2 songs or so.

But the two also know that trends change quickly and they have their own method to develop modishly.

Bill: I think there will always be some outfits, which you find quite awesome, and a few years later you look at them and you don’t like them at all anymore. I think this will also happen to me nowadays. Actually I’ve never been ashamed of what I wore. Of course there are many things, at which I look at now and think “Oh my god, what did you wear there?!” But that comes with the territory, just to find the way someday and to arrive somewhere. But I think there are always moments, where you try out and discover new things and so on.

But on who does rockstars orient? We ask Bill if he has role models.

Bill: Well, I’ve never had a real role model in principle, but else I quite like David Bowie, I also like Steven Tyler, so it’s quite miscellaneous. I’ve never had such a fashion icon or so.

Also the fact that fashion king Karl Lagerfeld was personally interested in Tokio Hotel, shows that Bill is very stylistically confident in the matter of fashion. In autumn 2009 he photographed Bill Kaulitz for the German Vogue, which was a big honor for Bill.

Bill: I started to be interested in that very early. I also sewed and designed some things by myself, and it’s of course a dream to make something for somebody like Karl Lagerfeld. For me it was really a completely awesome moment and of course I was happy that he took notice of it, that he saw it and that he liked it and so, and I also find him great.

But how do you get such an own style, which is even held in great esteem by professionals? From where does Bill take his inspiration and maybe he can also tell us how his style emerged?

Bill: I think the inspiration comes from everywhere. That’s rather something miscellaneous. The whole thing with dying hairs, wearing makeup and so on, began through vampire When I was little, I loved vampire movies and I went to a Halloween party as a vampire once and after that I started to do this also privately.

And with that, he is exactly in fashion again in the times of vampire movies. But there are also clear no-gos with regard to clothes.

Bill: Well, the clothes which Tom wears… I would never wear them! And for the rest real fur is a no-go.

And consistently the two are vegetarians. But they differ from each other at the styling.

Bill: I find in the course of time, I like the stuff which Tom wears more and more. I can rather acquire a taste for that. But we’ll never change clothes or so, I think that doesn’t come into question at all. When we were 6 years old, we ran around exactly the same, and we had shirts with “Bill” and “Tom” on it, so that the people could distinguish us. And then it began that you choose the clothes by yourself and not mum. And then it went automatically in different directions. Tom’s style is a bit related to his music taste, he just listens to Hip-Hop, although he plays in a rockband, so it doesn’t fit together that good. But in the matter of clothes he always went ahead with it.

But despite the different styling and the opinion of it, the two seem to agree in other topics.

Tom: Actually Bill and I are like one person. I think, we just acted out different sides of this person and because of this we complement each other very good, because we have other interests now and then, but we were always on a common denominator. I know exactly, what Bill thinks – Bill knows what I think; that’s on another level, actually we don’t have to talk anymore and I think that’s why we complement each other very well.

@темы: interview, интервью, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель, TH-video, ТХ-видео

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Official Promo Video of Polish Tokio Hotel concert

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@темы: video, видео, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Экслюзив! Треклист к "Alice In Wonderland"

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The Cure и Franz Ferdinand запишут саундтрек для "Алисы" Тима Бертона
Режиссер Тим Бертон активно привлекает рок-музыкантов к записи саундтрека для своей версии знаменитой сказки "Алиса в Стране чудес". Как передает NME, cвою лепту в музыкальное оформление фильма внесут The Cure и Franz Ferdinand.

Шотландские рокеры Franz Ferdinand положат на музыку "The Lobster Quadrille" ("Раковую кадриль") Льюиса Кэрролла, в то время как Роберт Смит из "готических" The Cure напишет кавер-версию песни "Very Good Advice" из диснеевского мультфильма "Алиса" 1951 года. Кроме них в записи саундтрека уже приняли участие Марк Хоппус из Blink 182, басист Fall Out Boy Пит Вентц и Аврил Лавинь.

Напомним, что бертоновская адаптация "Алисы", в которой снялись Миа Васиковска, Джонни Депп, Хелена Бонем Картер и Энн Хэтэуэй, выйдет на широкий экран уже 5 марта. А вот релиз саундтрека под названием "Almost Alice" состоится буквально за несколько дней до кинопремьеры – 2 марта.
http://newsru.com/cinema/13jan2010/ff_alice.html

1. "Alice (Underground)" performed by Avril Lavigne
2. "The Poison" performed by The All-American Rejects
3. "The Technicolor Phase" performed by Owl City
4. "Her Name Is Alice" performed by Shinedown
5. "Painting Flowers" performed by All Time Low
6. "Where's My Angel" performed by Metro Station
7. "Strange" performed by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
8. "Follow Me Down" performed by 3OH!3 featuring Neon Hitch
9. "Very Good Advice" performed by Robert Smith
10. "In Transit" performed by Mark Hoppus with Pete Wentz
11. "Welcome to Mystery" performed by Plain White T's
12. "Tea Party" performed by Kerli
13. "The Lobster Quadrille" performed by Franz Ferdinand
14. "Running Out of Time" performed by Motion City Soundtrack
15. "Fell Down a Hole" performed by Wolfmother
16. "White Rabbit" performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals


Альбом называется Almost Alice м выйдет 2 марта.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=438372074&blogId=525529050

Добавлены ссылки на эту же тему
http://www.examiner.com/x-16053-Germany-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m1d12-Tokio-Hotel-to-appear-with-Avril-Lavigne-on-the-Alice-in-Wonderland-soundtrack?cid=channel-rss-News
http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2010/01/12/tokio-hotel-and-kerli-will-collaborate-on-tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland-soundtrack/

запись создана: 12.01.2010 в 21:34

@темы: Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Блог Тома

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AVATAR...
...might become the most successful movie of all times and finally beat Titanic which is still #1 right now. Go ahead and build your own Avatar - I prepared a little photoshop tutorial for you guys on my old PC

Birth of an AVATAR from Peter Ammentorp Lund on Vimeo.

@темы: Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Making of GQ Photoshoot - скрины

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rar: http://depositfiles.com/files/r3qt9v1gr
zip: http://depositfiles.com/files/g6k9it9cm

@темы: скрины , screens, Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Backstage фотосессии GQ

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@темы: photo, фото, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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Фотосессия GQ (by Julian Broad)

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запись создана: 13.01.2010 в 09:47

@темы: photo, фото, Tom Kaulitz, Том Каулитц, Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель

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BRAVO #3/2010 (Россия)

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@темы: Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель, scans, сканы