Durch Die Nacht mit Joop und Bill Part 2
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BILL: What I find amazing is that you don't seem nervous at all, especially since you're shooting this today and tomorrow's the show. I would just say "all right, piss off", and...
JOOP: To be honest, I never shoot things like this. I mean, maybe at your age but...
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[BEFORE DRIVING TO THE EIFFEL TOWER]
BILL: What was going on there, a terror attack or something? I didn't even hear about that...
JOOP: Yes, that's why they told me that we couldn't visit the Eiffel Tower tonight, and I was hoping you wouldn't want to go there.
BILL: What a pity! I was looking forward to it. I've never seen it. I've been in Paris so many times but I've never actually seen it.
JOOP: I was twelve when I was there for the last time. Do you have your passport?
BILL: Um... I think they gave me one earlier?
JOOP: Otherwise they'll think you're a terrorist. Apparently it was a group of women who wanted to blow up the Eiffel Tower earlier today. Probably out of penis jealousy (??? XD)
[IN THE CAR ON THEIR WAY TO THE EIFFEL TOWER]
BILL: I moved to Hamburg when I was fifteen.
JOOP: Really? I didn't know that!
BILL: Yes, I was fifteen. For me it was just... I wanted to get out of the province, didn't want to finish school there, I wanted to get out as soon as I could, and when it worked out for us... We released the first song during the summer break...
JOOP: So you didn't go to school in Hamburg?
BILL: No, I didn't go to school at all anymore. I quit at fifteen, and then we tried again but it was impossible, of course. The press was everywhere and the principal asked us to her office and was like, "Okay, we need to find a solution here. You need to get out of school." Of course I immediately packed my bags, and then we moved to Hamburg. And... yeah. Tom and I had four dogs. [lists all the dogs they have; I don't feel like translating those right now XD] And they were all accidents, we saved them all. We got the first one from an animal shelter, and the others too. We didn't want to keep them at first but... you know how it is.
JOOP: I brought a female dalmatian from New York. She had another owner before me - her name is Gretchen. And then the previous owner followed us to Germany and wanted her back. And then I found an alternative dog for the first time in my life - a [insert dog name]. And her name is Lottchen. And they both sleep in my bed.
BILL: Aww, they're so great. I love those.
JOOP: I think I haven't slept properly in weeks. Because then they do like this, and at night I sometimes get up and try to push her away, but she won't budge! Then I walk around the bed and lay down on the other side where there's only a little room left for me. And then on the other side, there's Gretchen.
[LASS DIE HUNDE LOS]
JOOP: And do you know whom I was on the runway with? Grace Jones.
BILL: Wow.
JOOP: She was walking in front of me, and... I designed that collection... [*mumblemumble*] And then I said "Grace, come/calm down." And she was like, "You know what? I'm not coming back. I'm coming back as a singer." And I was like: "Yeah, yeah, right, whatever." And the next time she came back, and everything was like in La Vie En Rose. I experienced that first-hand, that pop history. Yeah, I know her.
BILL: Unfortunately, I can't talk about that [as in, I don't have anything that exciting to say].
JOOP: And then she was like, "My husband is Turkish, he's very jealous."
BILL: *shivers*
JOOP: I feel like I'm in a French 'Nouvelle Vague' film. You're Alain Delon, I'm Romy Schneider.
[ELEVATOR]
BILL: I love those parachutes when they like, hook you up and then let you fall down, you know?
JOOP: Like bungee jumping?
BILL: Or parachuting. Oh, I did that a while ago, yes. About two months ago. For the first time. It's a dream! It was incredible.
JOOP: Adrenaline, adrenaline...
[ON THE EIFFEL TOWER]
BILL: Over there is where we had our concert, on the French national day. It was in 2007.
JOOP: And ever since all the teenagers here want to learn German.
BILL: And there were 500,000 people here. It was incredible. I think that was the first time that I really couldn't see the end of the crowd.
JOOP: What kind of a feeling is that, by the way?
BILL: Actually, starting from a certain number, there's not really a difference anymore. I'd say at... 30,000, there's not really a difference if there are 30,000 or 70,000 people. Then you don't see much anymore; you just see little dots.
[CONCERT EXTRACT]
BILL: But I'm terribly nervous, contrary to you.
JOOP: You think I'm not nervous?
BILL: Before you said you weren't nervous!
JOOP: Yes, but I like it physically. Then I don't hear well and start freezing, and I'd rather just lay in bed. Do you know that?
BILL: Yes - for me it's more that I freak out completely. I'm so nervous before every show. Well... if you're on tour for three months in a row, you get a little more relaxed in the end. But I'm incredibly perfectionistic. Especially at the beginning of a tour - when only a little thing goes wrong - when I've thought everything through and have planned every little detail, and only a little thing goes wrong, then the whole concert is over for me. Of course I don't show it, but backstage I'm not approachable. Everything else can have gone perfectly, but if there's only a little flaw, I'm so irritated... And my problem is that I have so little faith in other people.
JOOP: What's your zodiac sign?
BILL: Virgo.
JOOP: Oh, one of those. I was married to a Virgo, so I know what you're talking about. If you can't get your perfectionism under control, you're so desperate that you just give up.
BILL: Even now, I already sometimes think that it's on the brink of getting sick. Because Tom and I are both like that.
JOOP: Men are even worse than women when it comes to that.
BILL: Yeah, so we're both Virgos, and we drive each other insane. When we're together, we're constantly discussing - it's terrible. Because we just can't... shut down from each other. Because we're like one head and together we just never shut down. You fly to the Maldives to relax, but actually you could just as well stay in Hamburg because I can't take a break from myself.
JOOP: That's why I take a break when I'm in [whatever]. I hand it over to Damian, because otherwise I would drive myself crazy.
BILL: That's what I absolutely need to learn from you because I can't do it. I can't!
JOOP: Every week, there's a rehearsal. And the translation from my head to the paper, and from the paper to reality are completely different steps. So I let other people do it. I can't take care of everything. I can't stitch it, I can't cut it, and when I don't have Sarah, I can't do it either. But I don't need music, champagne or drugs. Only a very, very, very clear head.
BILL: And you have to find the right people to take care of those things. For me, it's like... from the font to the cover to every other little detail, I just hate it when something doesn't pass over my desk. When there's one email...
JOOP: Do you think I could do that? Do you think I would accept someone else's shoe? Or an earring? Or a belt? Then they'd run naked! If it doesn't come from me directly, then I wouldn't do it. But I don't dress the girls. I don't touch anything anymore at that point. You won't see me carrying a dress to the model. That's when I stay theoretical. Otherwise I'd go crazy.
BILL: Yeah, that's what I have to teach myself too.
JOOP: You just have to tell yourself "cut - now it's someone else's turn."
BILL: I can't do that. And then I try to do it and tell myself: "Come on, this is such an insignificant detail, someone else can do that." And then it goes wrong, and I just think: "This is shit because..." [trails off and is too excited to complete sentence - he clearly needs Tom there 0
]
JOOP: But I can tell you something. When I watch the DVD after the show, I just see that the shoelaces aren't tied, or that a button's open, and then I could throw up and am so annoyed.
[TALK OVER EACH OTHER, BLAH XD]
JOOP: [on the phone, talks to his daughter... about doing a children's collection - for twins? LOL]
[IN THE ELEVATOR]
BILL: How old are they; the babies?
JOOP: They're still newborns.
BILL: Ah, okay.
JOOP: But she was very happy that I called.
BILL: How old is she?
JOOP: Much older than you. 10 years older than you. Because I was already a father of two by the time I was 28.
BILL: Au weia XD
JOOP: ...............
BILL: Wow, I can't even imagine that. My mum also got us when she was really young. She had us when she was 20.
JOOP: Maybe it's a good thing because then you don't think about it too much.
[AWKWARD PAUSE OF AWKWARDNESS]
JOOP: I also have some experience as an actor. I was in a few movies.
BILL: In one or more?
JOOP: In five.
BILL: Five?
JOOP: One movie was called 'Suck my Dick'.
BILL: Okay. Oh right, I read about that somewhere.
[SUCK MY DICK EXTRACT]
JOOP: And then I got an agent because I had so many film offers. But I never did one again.
BILL: So you didn't have fun?
JOOP: No. Well, Michael Caine put it perfectly: [Michael Caine quote]. They were like "we have a technical problem, can you quickly learn another page?"
BILL: I'm also thinking about doing that sometime. So maybe when the right thing offer comes along... I already rejected many projects.
JOOP: It's physically exhausting, too.
BILL: What was 'Suck my Dick' about anyway? [laughs]
JOOP: It was not about that.
[IN THE CAR]
BILL: Tom and I were in a movie once, when we were 6, or so. It was called Verrückt Nach Dir. And they were looking for twins and since we were really cheeky, they liked us, so we got the parts. And in the scene - it was a really short scene - we had to pee our pants. And at 6, you're at that age where you don't do that anymore, and are proud that you're 'dry'. And then there was that weird-looking actress - she'd been styled to look like that - and Tom threw a fit and said he wouldn't be in a movie with such an ugly actress. And then he locked her into the bathroom and threw away the key, and she couldn't get out anymore.
[FILM]
BILL: And then we sat down, and said that if they didn't give us something to eat, we couldn't go on.
[PARIS]
JOOP: Oh right, first we're going to a 'palais'. [TALKS ON THE PHONE...]
[PALAIS]
JOOP: My hair looks crappy. But I have to say, the rooms suit you.
BILL: They suit me, right?
JOOP: They do.
BILL: I thought about moving in here, not to L.A.
JOOP: My aunt Ulla had almost exactly the same. [blaaaaaaaaaah.]
JOOP: The ambassador is coming to see us now - should we lay down?
[SKIPPING THE PART ABOUT THE AMBASSADOR... IT's BORING]
UPDATE: PART 2
[BACK IN THE CAR]
JOOP: You want to control this image you've created. You want to fulfill this role you've invented. Sometimes it's easier, in a movie, to play this role that someone has given you. It's easier than playing your own. Sometimes you realize that your role isn't up-to-date anymore, that you should've changed into different role a long time ago. But... which one? I know myself that I wouldn't be able to play the Joop from the 90's anymore. I'm only doing this because you're here with me. I've become very camera-shy in the last few years. Because the picture of me, of what I look like, printed or on screen - I don't like it anymore. I've gotten used to a different image in the last 20 years, and I don't think I resemble that image anymore. And, I mean, this will happen to you, too, one day. Especially because this image suits you very well, you know? The whole look, the whole thing. But someday, I mean, you've managed to [...]. But at some point, combing your hair differently won't be enough anymore, of course. For me, I've noticed it on my grin. Once upon a time, every photo was perfect because of that grin, this practiced smile. Cynically, I often said about myself, when they asked me how I got so successful, how I made my fortune, and I said 'because of that grin'. But because of that grin, I noticed that at one point, it wasn't real anymore. And that my eyes looked sad. And in my eyes you could see that I'd seen too much. You see that in your look.
BILL: I know. I know exactly what you mean. It's like... Sometimes there are days when you just can't do it. And I'm sitting there and I think... And I hate it when I've agreed to do something and I know I have to do it, but then there are days when I just don't feel it or I can't do it. And then my eyes are black and my hair, and I just don't feel like doing it at all.
JOOP: It helps a little, though, doesn't it?
BILL: Yes, it does help, but sometimes you just can't open them underneath all that. And on the picture I see it and think, "Oh shit." But you also have to stop looking at it every time. At the beginning, I looked at all the pictures, but it drives you crazy after a while. At the beginning, I really looked at every single picture but after a while, you just have to stop because you start thinking... You hear someone say something about it and you want to please that person; you start thinking, "Hmm, that doesn't really suit me," and...
JOOP: It's like you're a third person.
BILL: Exactly! You start seeing yourself from the outside, and...
JOOP: Marlene Dietrich - I have to think about her now because we're close to her apartment now - spent decades in her bed looking at her old pictures and movies, and took notes about them. "Thin hair, bad light, how does she look there?" You know? She really haunted herself with that.
[CAFÉ DE FLORES]
BILL: It comes out on October 1st, the L'Uomo Vogue.
JOOP: Who shot you for that?
BILL: Paolo Ferrari. An amazing photographer.
JOOP: I was photographed too, once. 10 pages in Vogue. In the 70's. By François Lamy. That was the 'scene' of the 70's. Jerry Hall, Iman, Bowie...
BILL: I'd love to see Bowie live.
JOOP: I know Iman very well. I never met him [Bowie] in person. But I worked a lot with Iman in Hamburg. She's cool. Very smart. The smartest woman in the world. She got everything done; everything. She had a car accident in the 80's, with a taxi. And sued them for 5 million - that was a lot back then. And from that money, she had everything done. Her boobs, her face - everything.
BILL: Bowie was... The Labyrinth - when I was little - I know that movie by heart. I loved that movie.
JOOP: For me, Bowie was also... Berlin, before the wall - in West Berlin, he was on the Konrad Adenauer Platz, I think the name of the club was Konrad... He arrived there with a punk, pink-coloured car, and with makeup... like you, actually. Like... '83 or '84. But somehow they all drank, did cocaine, smoked... Today, all of their excesses are on the internet. Porno, on the cellphone... I find that strange. I know it always sounds weird when older people say that it's bad today [with all that technology] but I find that whole internet-thing really bad.
BILL: I know. I mean, I grew up with it, but I also think it's bad. Sure, it makes many things easier but it brings us so many bad things, too. If I could push a button and make it all disappear for everyone, I push that button immediately. You do something and only a minute later, it's on the internet and goes around the world, and everyone can comment on it. Everyone can judge it, everyone can have their opinion about it. And they destroy it. The magic goes away because everyone destroys it immediately and adds their comment to it. They pollute it.
JOOP: As good as it is, on the one hand...
BILL: The whole appreciation of every product - of magazines or whatever, books, fashion, music, movies, it's all gone because you can get it all with one single click.
JOOP: You lose your nerves - my friend who also grew up with the internet - and you don't have any nerves left. They watch TV and are on the computer at the same time. They're completely exhausted.
BILL: And they also don't really look forward to anything anymore, like... when a record is released and you look forward to it... For me, it's also... I have an intention when I release something, like a record. There's the CD with the cover, and I want people to be able to hold it in their hands, all together. I don't want them to download a file somewhere. And for us it was like this; the music was supposed to come out in the fall, and in spring before that, there were already 9 tracks on the internet. I don't know where they came from. Every time that happens, you could record the album all over again because if 9 tracks are available already, then the album isn't worth anything. It's a catastrophe.
[JOOP DRAWS BILL]
BILL: Wow...That's incredible; I could never do that.
[IN THE CAR]
BILL: You know what I would love to do someday? I was thinking about it; I'd love to do a documentary someday where you have a small camera on your shirt for an entire day, so that people can see from my - or someone else's - point of view, how people approach someone. You know? And then I'd like to fast forward, so that you can see that people always say the same things and...
JOOP: Then come across really bad. How often do you think I've heard that already? But in reality, they're really nice. [????]
BILL: Or, what happens to me all the time is... "Yes, there's the my friend's boss's talk show, and her cousin wants...", and I just think: Come on, give me the note already, and then I ask: "What's her name?" and they're like: "Uhh, uhhh..." And I'd like to see that, so you can understand that a little, you know?
[Okay, that part didn't make any sense at all - but it's not my fault they're always talking over each other and never finish their sentences XD]
[ON THE BRIDGE]
JOOP: So, what should we - Oh, why are those locks here?
BILL: Does someone know what this means?
RANDOM GUY: There are initials on them. I guess people sort of sealed their love with them.
JOOP: And you don't have one with you? For us? I'll get chained to it. Till the next time.
BILL: So they don't carve it into a tree anymore?
JOOP: Well, you also have the 'key to your heart', and then you do like this [throws key into the water], and then you'll always know where it is. Right, and now we'll go to the masquerade ball.
JOOP: What's with all the photographing? [...]
BILL: They want to see how stressed we are. They're probably hoping one of us will fall. ...and of course I do fall.
[IN THE CAR]
JOOP: [puts mask on] How do I look?
BILL: Good!
JOOP: Or do I look stupid? Or should I put it up here?
BILL: No, down.
JOOP: Or should I not do it at all?
BILL: I'm not sure.
JOOP: Should I take it off?
BILL: I wouldn't do it at all.
JOOP: Yes, it looks stupid. [...]
[MASQUERADE BALL]
BILL: I think we'll just go upstairs, right? The [??] is incredible. [...] like a birthday party, doesn't it?
JOOP: We should do that next time.
BILL: Yeah. Hey, your birthday is soon, so...
JOOP: I don't know where I'll celebrate yet - but I'll invite you.
[NEXT MORNING]
BILL: Morning!
JOOP: Hey "Schatzi" (darling), how are you?
BILL: So you haven't seen anything yet?
JOOP: No, I haven't seen anything. Probably everything will go wrong. Because, I mean, we have a small budget
JOURNALIST: How does that fit together - Tokio Hotel and Wunderkind? How does that work?
JOOP: I think "Wunderkind" fits for both of us.
JOURNALIST: Yes? Are you both Wunderkinder?
JOOP: That's what we realised the first second. The two of us from a provincial town in East Germany, who went our own way on our own. And only Wunderkinder can do that. It's like we were separated at birth, we realised last night.
JOURNALIST: And Bill as a model for Wunderkind campaigns?
JOOP: Yes, but I mean... have you ever seen a better model? I mean, really. Well, I haven't seen him without makeup. Since every model has to come here without makeup...
[INSIDE]
JOOP: Wow. What are you wearing? [hugs] Do you know my adoptive son?
BILL: Bill, hi.
WOMAN: We know each other.
BILL: Yes, we know each other.
WOMAN: We've met at the Bambi award ceremony.
BILL: Exactly.
JOOP: A great boy, I can only say. I'm full of deep admiration. This sovereignty at such a young age. Yes? This is Patricia - no wait, you know her already.
[FASHION SHOW]
JOOP: That was incredible, wasn't it? Aggressive,
WOMAN: Diversa!
JOOP: Diversa. E forte!
BILL: Wolfgang and I shot something together; we met for the first time. And of course I also didn't want to miss the show.
[...]
PATRICIA: I want the entire summer collection; I don't know what to wear.
JOOP: I think...
INTERVIEWER: Just one minute...
JOOP: Yes, lately, the portrayal of men in fashion annoys me a little. They're all so parted [their hair] and look so prissy. And I think that needs to be over now.
[...]
BILL: I like that it's not something you can wear every day, so it's definitely something for me.
BILL: Yesterday I had a wonderful evening with Wolfgang Joop. The whole night, and we were getting to know each other. It was really nice.
JOOP: Where's Bill?
SARAH: Bill is over there in the corner. Do you want me to get you something to drink?
JOOP: Yes, a glass of water, please.
JOOP: I'm sweating all over. So Bill, did you like it?
BILL: I found it really, really great. Congratulations. I thought it was fantastic. Really great. And you're satisfied?
JOOP: Yes, I found it really great, strangely. There weren't many people backstage - they all had to go to Louis Vuitton, first. But I think it was the best collection because it had two different elements, you know? On the one side so sweet, and on the other side, so evil. But I noticed it on the people's reactions, because all my designer-friends are playing it safe at the moment. Sarah, come over to us.
BILL: It was great.
JOOP: I wanted to try out a few shoes for Bill.
BILL: Let's do that later; let's get out of here first.
[OUTSIDE]
JOOP: Come over here, Bill. I need to introduce you. Look, this is my friend [Gisa?]. We share our worries and our balances.
BILL: I have to go now, unfortunately.
JOOP: All right, take care. We'll talk on the phone next week.
BILL: We will.
JOOP: You'll stay in touch, okay?
BILL: Of course.
JOOP: Come, I'll lead you outside.
JOOP: I'm glad to get out of here now. I'll send you one of those stitched jackets, with those... That suits you very well. And when you're in Berlin sometime, you'll visit me in Pottsdam.
BILL: Yes, we'll do that. I'd love to.
BILL: Time goes by so quickly. Right, so... Thank you very much. We'll hear from each other.
JOOP: Don't forget me.
BILL: No, definitely not.
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BILL: What I find amazing is that you don't seem nervous at all, especially since you're shooting this today and tomorrow's the show. I would just say "all right, piss off", and...
JOOP: To be honest, I never shoot things like this. I mean, maybe at your age but...
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[BEFORE DRIVING TO THE EIFFEL TOWER]
BILL: What was going on there, a terror attack or something? I didn't even hear about that...
JOOP: Yes, that's why they told me that we couldn't visit the Eiffel Tower tonight, and I was hoping you wouldn't want to go there.
BILL: What a pity! I was looking forward to it. I've never seen it. I've been in Paris so many times but I've never actually seen it.
JOOP: I was twelve when I was there for the last time. Do you have your passport?
BILL: Um... I think they gave me one earlier?
JOOP: Otherwise they'll think you're a terrorist. Apparently it was a group of women who wanted to blow up the Eiffel Tower earlier today. Probably out of penis jealousy (??? XD)
[IN THE CAR ON THEIR WAY TO THE EIFFEL TOWER]
BILL: I moved to Hamburg when I was fifteen.
JOOP: Really? I didn't know that!
BILL: Yes, I was fifteen. For me it was just... I wanted to get out of the province, didn't want to finish school there, I wanted to get out as soon as I could, and when it worked out for us... We released the first song during the summer break...
JOOP: So you didn't go to school in Hamburg?
BILL: No, I didn't go to school at all anymore. I quit at fifteen, and then we tried again but it was impossible, of course. The press was everywhere and the principal asked us to her office and was like, "Okay, we need to find a solution here. You need to get out of school." Of course I immediately packed my bags, and then we moved to Hamburg. And... yeah. Tom and I had four dogs. [lists all the dogs they have; I don't feel like translating those right now XD] And they were all accidents, we saved them all. We got the first one from an animal shelter, and the others too. We didn't want to keep them at first but... you know how it is.
JOOP: I brought a female dalmatian from New York. She had another owner before me - her name is Gretchen. And then the previous owner followed us to Germany and wanted her back. And then I found an alternative dog for the first time in my life - a [insert dog name]. And her name is Lottchen. And they both sleep in my bed.
BILL: Aww, they're so great. I love those.
JOOP: I think I haven't slept properly in weeks. Because then they do like this, and at night I sometimes get up and try to push her away, but she won't budge! Then I walk around the bed and lay down on the other side where there's only a little room left for me. And then on the other side, there's Gretchen.
[LASS DIE HUNDE LOS]
JOOP: And do you know whom I was on the runway with? Grace Jones.
BILL: Wow.
JOOP: She was walking in front of me, and... I designed that collection... [*mumblemumble*] And then I said "Grace, come/calm down." And she was like, "You know what? I'm not coming back. I'm coming back as a singer." And I was like: "Yeah, yeah, right, whatever." And the next time she came back, and everything was like in La Vie En Rose. I experienced that first-hand, that pop history. Yeah, I know her.
BILL: Unfortunately, I can't talk about that [as in, I don't have anything that exciting to say].
JOOP: And then she was like, "My husband is Turkish, he's very jealous."
BILL: *shivers*
JOOP: I feel like I'm in a French 'Nouvelle Vague' film. You're Alain Delon, I'm Romy Schneider.
[ELEVATOR]
BILL: I love those parachutes when they like, hook you up and then let you fall down, you know?
JOOP: Like bungee jumping?
BILL: Or parachuting. Oh, I did that a while ago, yes. About two months ago. For the first time. It's a dream! It was incredible.
JOOP: Adrenaline, adrenaline...
[ON THE EIFFEL TOWER]
BILL: Over there is where we had our concert, on the French national day. It was in 2007.
JOOP: And ever since all the teenagers here want to learn German.
BILL: And there were 500,000 people here. It was incredible. I think that was the first time that I really couldn't see the end of the crowd.
JOOP: What kind of a feeling is that, by the way?
BILL: Actually, starting from a certain number, there's not really a difference anymore. I'd say at... 30,000, there's not really a difference if there are 30,000 or 70,000 people. Then you don't see much anymore; you just see little dots.
[CONCERT EXTRACT]
BILL: But I'm terribly nervous, contrary to you.
JOOP: You think I'm not nervous?
BILL: Before you said you weren't nervous!
JOOP: Yes, but I like it physically. Then I don't hear well and start freezing, and I'd rather just lay in bed. Do you know that?
BILL: Yes - for me it's more that I freak out completely. I'm so nervous before every show. Well... if you're on tour for three months in a row, you get a little more relaxed in the end. But I'm incredibly perfectionistic. Especially at the beginning of a tour - when only a little thing goes wrong - when I've thought everything through and have planned every little detail, and only a little thing goes wrong, then the whole concert is over for me. Of course I don't show it, but backstage I'm not approachable. Everything else can have gone perfectly, but if there's only a little flaw, I'm so irritated... And my problem is that I have so little faith in other people.
JOOP: What's your zodiac sign?
BILL: Virgo.
JOOP: Oh, one of those. I was married to a Virgo, so I know what you're talking about. If you can't get your perfectionism under control, you're so desperate that you just give up.
BILL: Even now, I already sometimes think that it's on the brink of getting sick. Because Tom and I are both like that.
JOOP: Men are even worse than women when it comes to that.
BILL: Yeah, so we're both Virgos, and we drive each other insane. When we're together, we're constantly discussing - it's terrible. Because we just can't... shut down from each other. Because we're like one head and together we just never shut down. You fly to the Maldives to relax, but actually you could just as well stay in Hamburg because I can't take a break from myself.
JOOP: That's why I take a break when I'm in [whatever]. I hand it over to Damian, because otherwise I would drive myself crazy.
BILL: That's what I absolutely need to learn from you because I can't do it. I can't!
JOOP: Every week, there's a rehearsal. And the translation from my head to the paper, and from the paper to reality are completely different steps. So I let other people do it. I can't take care of everything. I can't stitch it, I can't cut it, and when I don't have Sarah, I can't do it either. But I don't need music, champagne or drugs. Only a very, very, very clear head.
BILL: And you have to find the right people to take care of those things. For me, it's like... from the font to the cover to every other little detail, I just hate it when something doesn't pass over my desk. When there's one email...
JOOP: Do you think I could do that? Do you think I would accept someone else's shoe? Or an earring? Or a belt? Then they'd run naked! If it doesn't come from me directly, then I wouldn't do it. But I don't dress the girls. I don't touch anything anymore at that point. You won't see me carrying a dress to the model. That's when I stay theoretical. Otherwise I'd go crazy.
BILL: Yeah, that's what I have to teach myself too.
JOOP: You just have to tell yourself "cut - now it's someone else's turn."
BILL: I can't do that. And then I try to do it and tell myself: "Come on, this is such an insignificant detail, someone else can do that." And then it goes wrong, and I just think: "This is shit because..." [trails off and is too excited to complete sentence - he clearly needs Tom there 0
]JOOP: But I can tell you something. When I watch the DVD after the show, I just see that the shoelaces aren't tied, or that a button's open, and then I could throw up and am so annoyed.
[TALK OVER EACH OTHER, BLAH XD]
JOOP: [on the phone, talks to his daughter... about doing a children's collection - for twins? LOL]
[IN THE ELEVATOR]
BILL: How old are they; the babies?
JOOP: They're still newborns.
BILL: Ah, okay.
JOOP: But she was very happy that I called.
BILL: How old is she?
JOOP: Much older than you. 10 years older than you. Because I was already a father of two by the time I was 28.
BILL: Au weia XD
JOOP: ...............
BILL: Wow, I can't even imagine that. My mum also got us when she was really young. She had us when she was 20.
JOOP: Maybe it's a good thing because then you don't think about it too much.
[AWKWARD PAUSE OF AWKWARDNESS]
JOOP: I also have some experience as an actor. I was in a few movies.
BILL: In one or more?
JOOP: In five.
BILL: Five?
JOOP: One movie was called 'Suck my Dick'.
BILL: Okay. Oh right, I read about that somewhere.
[SUCK MY DICK EXTRACT]
JOOP: And then I got an agent because I had so many film offers. But I never did one again.
BILL: So you didn't have fun?
JOOP: No. Well, Michael Caine put it perfectly: [Michael Caine quote]. They were like "we have a technical problem, can you quickly learn another page?"
BILL: I'm also thinking about doing that sometime. So maybe when the right thing offer comes along... I already rejected many projects.
JOOP: It's physically exhausting, too.
BILL: What was 'Suck my Dick' about anyway? [laughs]
JOOP: It was not about that.
[IN THE CAR]
BILL: Tom and I were in a movie once, when we were 6, or so. It was called Verrückt Nach Dir. And they were looking for twins and since we were really cheeky, they liked us, so we got the parts. And in the scene - it was a really short scene - we had to pee our pants. And at 6, you're at that age where you don't do that anymore, and are proud that you're 'dry'. And then there was that weird-looking actress - she'd been styled to look like that - and Tom threw a fit and said he wouldn't be in a movie with such an ugly actress. And then he locked her into the bathroom and threw away the key, and she couldn't get out anymore.
[FILM]
BILL: And then we sat down, and said that if they didn't give us something to eat, we couldn't go on.
[PARIS]
JOOP: Oh right, first we're going to a 'palais'. [TALKS ON THE PHONE...]
[PALAIS]
JOOP: My hair looks crappy. But I have to say, the rooms suit you.
BILL: They suit me, right?
JOOP: They do.
BILL: I thought about moving in here, not to L.A.
JOOP: My aunt Ulla had almost exactly the same. [blaaaaaaaaaah.]
JOOP: The ambassador is coming to see us now - should we lay down?
[SKIPPING THE PART ABOUT THE AMBASSADOR... IT's BORING
]UPDATE: PART 2
[BACK IN THE CAR]
JOOP: You want to control this image you've created. You want to fulfill this role you've invented. Sometimes it's easier, in a movie, to play this role that someone has given you. It's easier than playing your own. Sometimes you realize that your role isn't up-to-date anymore, that you should've changed into different role a long time ago. But... which one? I know myself that I wouldn't be able to play the Joop from the 90's anymore. I'm only doing this because you're here with me. I've become very camera-shy in the last few years. Because the picture of me, of what I look like, printed or on screen - I don't like it anymore. I've gotten used to a different image in the last 20 years, and I don't think I resemble that image anymore. And, I mean, this will happen to you, too, one day. Especially because this image suits you very well, you know? The whole look, the whole thing. But someday, I mean, you've managed to [...]. But at some point, combing your hair differently won't be enough anymore, of course. For me, I've noticed it on my grin. Once upon a time, every photo was perfect because of that grin, this practiced smile. Cynically, I often said about myself, when they asked me how I got so successful, how I made my fortune, and I said 'because of that grin'. But because of that grin, I noticed that at one point, it wasn't real anymore. And that my eyes looked sad. And in my eyes you could see that I'd seen too much. You see that in your look.
BILL: I know. I know exactly what you mean. It's like... Sometimes there are days when you just can't do it. And I'm sitting there and I think... And I hate it when I've agreed to do something and I know I have to do it, but then there are days when I just don't feel it or I can't do it. And then my eyes are black and my hair, and I just don't feel like doing it at all.
JOOP: It helps a little, though, doesn't it?
BILL: Yes, it does help, but sometimes you just can't open them underneath all that. And on the picture I see it and think, "Oh shit." But you also have to stop looking at it every time. At the beginning, I looked at all the pictures, but it drives you crazy after a while. At the beginning, I really looked at every single picture but after a while, you just have to stop because you start thinking... You hear someone say something about it and you want to please that person; you start thinking, "Hmm, that doesn't really suit me," and...
JOOP: It's like you're a third person.
BILL: Exactly! You start seeing yourself from the outside, and...
JOOP: Marlene Dietrich - I have to think about her now because we're close to her apartment now - spent decades in her bed looking at her old pictures and movies, and took notes about them. "Thin hair, bad light, how does she look there?" You know? She really haunted herself with that.
[CAFÉ DE FLORES]
BILL: It comes out on October 1st, the L'Uomo Vogue.
JOOP: Who shot you for that?
BILL: Paolo Ferrari. An amazing photographer.
JOOP: I was photographed too, once. 10 pages in Vogue. In the 70's. By François Lamy. That was the 'scene' of the 70's. Jerry Hall, Iman, Bowie...
BILL: I'd love to see Bowie live.
JOOP: I know Iman very well. I never met him [Bowie] in person. But I worked a lot with Iman in Hamburg. She's cool. Very smart. The smartest woman in the world. She got everything done; everything. She had a car accident in the 80's, with a taxi. And sued them for 5 million - that was a lot back then. And from that money, she had everything done. Her boobs, her face - everything.
BILL: Bowie was... The Labyrinth - when I was little - I know that movie by heart. I loved that movie.
JOOP: For me, Bowie was also... Berlin, before the wall - in West Berlin, he was on the Konrad Adenauer Platz, I think the name of the club was Konrad... He arrived there with a punk, pink-coloured car, and with makeup... like you, actually. Like... '83 or '84. But somehow they all drank, did cocaine, smoked... Today, all of their excesses are on the internet. Porno, on the cellphone... I find that strange. I know it always sounds weird when older people say that it's bad today [with all that technology] but I find that whole internet-thing really bad.
BILL: I know. I mean, I grew up with it, but I also think it's bad. Sure, it makes many things easier but it brings us so many bad things, too. If I could push a button and make it all disappear for everyone, I push that button immediately. You do something and only a minute later, it's on the internet and goes around the world, and everyone can comment on it. Everyone can judge it, everyone can have their opinion about it. And they destroy it. The magic goes away because everyone destroys it immediately and adds their comment to it. They pollute it.
JOOP: As good as it is, on the one hand...
BILL: The whole appreciation of every product - of magazines or whatever, books, fashion, music, movies, it's all gone because you can get it all with one single click.
JOOP: You lose your nerves - my friend who also grew up with the internet - and you don't have any nerves left. They watch TV and are on the computer at the same time. They're completely exhausted.
BILL: And they also don't really look forward to anything anymore, like... when a record is released and you look forward to it... For me, it's also... I have an intention when I release something, like a record. There's the CD with the cover, and I want people to be able to hold it in their hands, all together. I don't want them to download a file somewhere. And for us it was like this; the music was supposed to come out in the fall, and in spring before that, there were already 9 tracks on the internet. I don't know where they came from. Every time that happens, you could record the album all over again because if 9 tracks are available already, then the album isn't worth anything. It's a catastrophe.
[JOOP DRAWS BILL]
BILL: Wow...That's incredible; I could never do that.
[IN THE CAR]
BILL: You know what I would love to do someday? I was thinking about it; I'd love to do a documentary someday where you have a small camera on your shirt for an entire day, so that people can see from my - or someone else's - point of view, how people approach someone. You know? And then I'd like to fast forward, so that you can see that people always say the same things and...
JOOP: Then come across really bad. How often do you think I've heard that already? But in reality, they're really nice. [????]
BILL: Or, what happens to me all the time is... "Yes, there's the my friend's boss's talk show, and her cousin wants...", and I just think: Come on, give me the note already, and then I ask: "What's her name?" and they're like: "Uhh, uhhh..." And I'd like to see that, so you can understand that a little, you know?
[Okay, that part didn't make any sense at all - but it's not my fault they're always talking over each other and never finish their sentences XD]
[ON THE BRIDGE]
JOOP: So, what should we - Oh, why are those locks here?
BILL: Does someone know what this means?
RANDOM GUY: There are initials on them. I guess people sort of sealed their love with them.
JOOP: And you don't have one with you? For us?
I'll get chained to it. Till the next time.BILL: So they don't carve it into a tree anymore?
JOOP: Well, you also have the 'key to your heart', and then you do like this [throws key into the water], and then you'll always know where it is. Right, and now we'll go to the masquerade ball.
JOOP: What's with all the photographing? [...]
BILL: They want to see how stressed we are. They're probably hoping one of us will fall. ...and of course I do fall.
[IN THE CAR]
JOOP: [puts mask on] How do I look?
BILL: Good!
JOOP: Or do I look stupid? Or should I put it up here?
BILL: No, down.
JOOP: Or should I not do it at all?
BILL: I'm not sure.
JOOP: Should I take it off?
BILL: I wouldn't do it at all.
JOOP: Yes, it looks stupid. [...]
[MASQUERADE BALL]
BILL: I think we'll just go upstairs, right? The [??] is incredible. [...] like a birthday party, doesn't it?
JOOP: We should do that next time.
BILL: Yeah. Hey, your birthday is soon, so...
JOOP: I don't know where I'll celebrate yet - but I'll invite you.
[NEXT MORNING]
BILL: Morning!
JOOP: Hey "Schatzi" (darling), how are you?
BILL: So you haven't seen anything yet?
JOOP: No, I haven't seen anything. Probably everything will go wrong. Because, I mean, we have a small budget
JOURNALIST: How does that fit together - Tokio Hotel and Wunderkind? How does that work?
JOOP: I think "Wunderkind" fits for both of us.
JOURNALIST: Yes? Are you both Wunderkinder?
JOOP: That's what we realised the first second. The two of us from a provincial town in East Germany, who went our own way on our own. And only Wunderkinder can do that. It's like we were separated at birth, we realised last night.
JOURNALIST: And Bill as a model for Wunderkind campaigns?
JOOP: Yes, but I mean... have you ever seen a better model? I mean, really. Well, I haven't seen him without makeup. Since every model has to come here without makeup...
[INSIDE]
JOOP: Wow. What are you wearing? [hugs] Do you know my adoptive son?
BILL: Bill, hi.
WOMAN: We know each other.
BILL: Yes, we know each other.
WOMAN: We've met at the Bambi award ceremony.
BILL: Exactly.
JOOP: A great boy, I can only say. I'm full of deep admiration. This sovereignty at such a young age. Yes? This is Patricia - no wait, you know her already.
[FASHION SHOW]
JOOP: That was incredible, wasn't it? Aggressive,
WOMAN: Diversa!
JOOP: Diversa. E forte!
BILL: Wolfgang and I shot something together; we met for the first time. And of course I also didn't want to miss the show.
[...]
PATRICIA: I want the entire summer collection; I don't know what to wear.
JOOP: I think...
INTERVIEWER: Just one minute...
JOOP: Yes, lately, the portrayal of men in fashion annoys me a little. They're all so parted [their hair] and look so prissy. And I think that needs to be over now.
[...]
BILL: I like that it's not something you can wear every day, so it's definitely something for me.
BILL: Yesterday I had a wonderful evening with Wolfgang Joop. The whole night, and we were getting to know each other. It was really nice.
JOOP: Where's Bill?
SARAH: Bill is over there in the corner. Do you want me to get you something to drink?
JOOP: Yes, a glass of water, please.
JOOP: I'm sweating all over. So Bill, did you like it?
BILL: I found it really, really great. Congratulations. I thought it was fantastic. Really great. And you're satisfied?
JOOP: Yes, I found it really great, strangely. There weren't many people backstage - they all had to go to Louis Vuitton, first. But I think it was the best collection because it had two different elements, you know? On the one side so sweet, and on the other side, so evil. But I noticed it on the people's reactions, because all my designer-friends are playing it safe at the moment. Sarah, come over to us.
BILL: It was great.
JOOP: I wanted to try out a few shoes for Bill.
BILL: Let's do that later; let's get out of here first.
[OUTSIDE]
JOOP: Come over here, Bill. I need to introduce you. Look, this is my friend [Gisa?]. We share our worries and our balances.
BILL: I have to go now, unfortunately.
JOOP: All right, take care. We'll talk on the phone next week.
BILL: We will.
JOOP: You'll stay in touch, okay?
BILL: Of course.
JOOP: Come, I'll lead you outside.
JOOP: I'm glad to get out of here now. I'll send you one of those stitched jackets, with those... That suits you very well. And when you're in Berlin sometime, you'll visit me in Pottsdam.
BILL: Yes, we'll do that. I'd love to.
BILL: Time goes by so quickly. Right, so... Thank you very much. We'll hear from each other.
JOOP: Don't forget me.
BILL: No, definitely not.
credit xander/tha
@темы: Bill Kaulitz, Билл Каулитц, Tokio Hotel, Токио Отель, Токио Хотель
